On Second Saturday January 11, 2025 I referred to the season of the church year Epiphany. An epiphany is a manifestation or striking appearance. I qualify epiphanies as something from the depths coming to the surface. Not something coming from “on high.” I suggested that language that tries to describe an epiphany really can’t be straightforward. We also considered that doctrinal and creedal language is at once inadequate and also presumes too much. The title for this session was Jesus: an epiphany of darkness. Watch the video and wonder whether this conversation resonates with you or as one participant cautioned might border on the heretical. How do you hear our conversation? And let me note that the word heretical comes from the Greek word hairesis which means choice or option.